. >> he would call me or john burns of "the new york times." sometimes daily when he was in baghdad. i'm sure burns told you that. to chat off the record or on background. most often on background. it was a two-way street. he understand that. so it's stunning to me now that he knew of this three or four weeks ago and he didn't give it up then. >> but the other aspect of this, peter baker, is that the iowa has been urnlds fire over what happened in benghazi and since going there, he's kept a low profile since being a four-star general. i saw a lot of criticism from the press but i didn't see a lot of criticism of petraeus, why wasn't he out there, what didn't he know and why didn't he beef up security. even now this is a conspiracy to get him off the stage. >> can you imagine blowing up your entire life to avoid a hearing on the hill? i think that's sort of silly. yes, you're right we did a piece of the times, looking at his role in all this, but i think that he did get a benefit of the doubt by virtue of the fact that he had a long-time relatio